James and Elizabeth had 8 children born at Blundeston and Hopton. All but 2 reached adulthood. One was the Mrs Joyce of the Murray letters (see, e.g., Sarah Murray’s 1861 letter ). This is probably the family where Sarah Holt was governess before marrying James Thurtell (later Murray). James had two brothers named James who died young. James was a grocer, fish curer and postmaster (1824). His widow was living at Hall Farm, Loddon in 1841 census. James and Elizabeth have commemorative slabs in the church at Loddon, as do daughters Anna (d. 1819) and Jane (d. 1823).